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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://michaelmartine.com/2005/11/19/blogging-is-not-a-marketing-strategy/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, you raise some great points. This post is my own take on the link at its beginning. By being deliberately provocative, I had hoped to snap people out of their marketing tunnel vision. What we do and how we do it is service, branding, marketing, and often IT as well. The main thrust here is that blogging is not some tacked on thing that fits in with an inherently anti-blog push strategy. Being deliberately provocative often means one paints in overly broad brushstrokes. The detail you offer in your points counters that; I think you are spot-on.

Marketing certainly can be and should be broader than that, as shown by your real-life examples. I like to think in terms of customer experience and branding, rather than marketing. But even branding is a dangerous word, since it too easily conjures up images of corporate logos slapped onto something. People who believe that &lt;em&gt;everything&lt;/em&gt; is marketing and that &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt; in the organization is engaged in marketing and branding have it right.

I appreciate your thoughtful comments. I also dig your Public Beta logo. Very nice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, you raise some great points. This post is my own take on the link at its beginning. By being deliberately provocative, I had hoped to snap people out of their marketing tunnel vision. What we do and how we do it is service, branding, marketing, and often IT as well. The main thrust here is that blogging is not some tacked on thing that fits in with an inherently anti-blog push strategy. Being deliberately provocative often means one paints in overly broad brushstrokes. The detail you offer in your points counters that; I think you are spot-on.</p>
<p>Marketing certainly can be and should be broader than that, as shown by your real-life examples. I like to think in terms of customer experience and branding, rather than marketing. But even branding is a dangerous word, since it too easily conjures up images of corporate logos slapped onto something. People who believe that <em>everything</em> is marketing and that <em>everyone</em> in the organization is engaged in marketing and branding have it right.</p>
<p>I appreciate your thoughtful comments. I also dig your Public Beta logo. Very nice!</p>
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		<title>By: john of the desert &#187; Blogging can be marketing.</title>
		<link>http://michaelmartine.com/2005/11/19/blogging-is-not-a-marketing-strategy/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>john of the desert &#187; Blogging can be marketing.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Who agrees with this? It&#8217;s from Michael Martine&#8217;s blog. Here’s the point that marketing/advertising/public relations types continue to misunderstand: Blogging isn’t marketing, advertising, or public relations. No. Blogging is not even some new form of these things. Sorry. The landscape has changed right beneath your feet. Let me put it another way: blogging is something people love. Advertising, marketing, and public relations are things that people hate. No, don’t kid yourself, it’s too late for that. They don’t mix. You can’t do better at something people hate by krazy-gluing on something that people love. That kills it. Your effort will fail. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Who agrees with this? It&#8217;s from Michael Martine&#8217;s blog. Here’s the point that marketing/advertising/public relations types continue to misunderstand: Blogging isn’t marketing, advertising, or public relations. No. Blogging is not even some new form of these things. Sorry. The landscape has changed right beneath your feet. Let me put it another way: blogging is something people love. Advertising, marketing, and public relations are things that people hate. No, don’t kid yourself, it’s too late for that. They don’t mix. You can’t do better at something people hate by krazy-gluing on something that people love. That kills it. Your effort will fail. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://michaelmartine.com/2005/11/19/blogging-is-not-a-marketing-strategy/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2005 01:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I agree that short-term thinking is not sustainable.  But short-term thinking does work, for short periods of time, in each new incarnation for each new flock of sheep that hasn't been shorn yet.  Eventually, the short term thinker gets caught at the short end of his short term and possibly pays the price for it.  Or maybe he just moves on to his next scheme.  (See, e.g., "Natural Cures" author &lt;a href="http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/trudeau.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Kevin Trudeau&lt;/a&gt;.)

Second, your definition of marketing assumes the exclusion of legitimate, collaborative activities.  As a small business owner whose "marketing" activities are heavily regulated by the Bar, I can tell you that your definition is not globally applicable.  I, along with other lawyers, engage in constructive, enjoyable activities which have the secondary (or even primary) effect of enhancing our marketability.  We blog, we attend conferences, we teach seminars, we publish articles.  These are all considered "marketing" activities by lawyers but mostly fall outside your definition of the term.  I know the same holds true for other professionals as well.  So I respectfully disagree with your dim view of "marketing" but agree with your dim view of deceptive marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I agree that short-term thinking is not sustainable.  But short-term thinking does work, for short periods of time, in each new incarnation for each new flock of sheep that hasn&#8217;t been shorn yet.  Eventually, the short term thinker gets caught at the short end of his short term and possibly pays the price for it.  Or maybe he just moves on to his next scheme.  (See, e.g., &#8220;Natural Cures&#8221; author <a href="http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/FTCActions/trudeau.html" rel="nofollow">Kevin Trudeau</a>.)</p>
<p>Second, your definition of marketing assumes the exclusion of legitimate, collaborative activities.  As a small business owner whose &#8220;marketing&#8221; activities are heavily regulated by the Bar, I can tell you that your definition is not globally applicable.  I, along with other lawyers, engage in constructive, enjoyable activities which have the secondary (or even primary) effect of enhancing our marketability.  We blog, we attend conferences, we teach seminars, we publish articles.  These are all considered &#8220;marketing&#8221; activities by lawyers but mostly fall outside your definition of the term.  I know the same holds true for other professionals as well.  So I respectfully disagree with your dim view of &#8220;marketing&#8221; but agree with your dim view of deceptive marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://michaelmartine.com/2005/11/19/blogging-is-not-a-marketing-strategy/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

First of all, thanks for commenting. I'd like to share some thoughts on the points you raise. On the first point: this kind of short-term thinking is unsustainable in a new era in which reputation is becoming all-important. Long-term success suggests a different approach be taken. This approach does, as you say, make money for some people, but in the same way that robbing a bank makes money for a criminal.

On the second point: blogs have indeed turned out to be brilliant marketing tools for their authors, but only because &lt;em&gt;it isn't marketing&lt;/em&gt;. Being true to oneself, offering a truly fantastic product or service, and engaging in the conversation around it is not marketing. Marketing is a planned campaign of one-sided message-delivery (propaganda, really) and is anti-blog.

On the third point: Exactly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>First of all, thanks for commenting. I&#8217;d like to share some thoughts on the points you raise. On the first point: this kind of short-term thinking is unsustainable in a new era in which reputation is becoming all-important. Long-term success suggests a different approach be taken. This approach does, as you say, make money for some people, but in the same way that robbing a bank makes money for a criminal.</p>
<p>On the second point: blogs have indeed turned out to be brilliant marketing tools for their authors, but only because <em>it isn&#8217;t marketing</em>. Being true to oneself, offering a truly fantastic product or service, and engaging in the conversation around it is not marketing. Marketing is a planned campaign of one-sided message-delivery (propaganda, really) and is anti-blog.</p>
<p>On the third point: Exactly!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://michaelmartine.com/2005/11/19/blogging-is-not-a-marketing-strategy/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Even marketing techniques that people hate often prove themselves to be effective, if your sole definition of "effective" is increasing the revenue of what's been marketed.  For example, everyone hates spam, but it must be making money for some of the advertisers, or the spammers would have gone out of business long ago.  Same goes with pop-up ads.

2.  Even as a person who started blogging six years ago, for the sheer love of blogging, I recognize that some blogs have turned out to be brilliant marketing tools for their authors.  This is mostly true in the case of niche experts with focused blogs, but also true of more general-interest blogs of good writers.  Even blogs created for the express purpose of "marketing," if written with passion, ccan have a profound impact on the public image and earning potential of the writer.

3.  The two points above are assuming that the blogs are genuine expressions, rather than link farms or outsourced content streams.  A blog based on "systematic lying and deception" is fairly transparent and probably won't succeed.  But not all of advertising, not all of public relations, is founded on deception.  That which is will eventually fail; that which is not will eventually be exposed.  Probably by a blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Even marketing techniques that people hate often prove themselves to be effective, if your sole definition of &#8220;effective&#8221; is increasing the revenue of what&#8217;s been marketed.  For example, everyone hates spam, but it must be making money for some of the advertisers, or the spammers would have gone out of business long ago.  Same goes with pop-up ads.</p>
<p>2.  Even as a person who started blogging six years ago, for the sheer love of blogging, I recognize that some blogs have turned out to be brilliant marketing tools for their authors.  This is mostly true in the case of niche experts with focused blogs, but also true of more general-interest blogs of good writers.  Even blogs created for the express purpose of &#8220;marketing,&#8221; if written with passion, ccan have a profound impact on the public image and earning potential of the writer.</p>
<p>3.  The two points above are assuming that the blogs are genuine expressions, rather than link farms or outsourced content streams.  A blog based on &#8220;systematic lying and deception&#8221; is fairly transparent and probably won&#8217;t succeed.  But not all of advertising, not all of public relations, is founded on deception.  That which is will eventually fail; that which is not will eventually be exposed.  Probably by a blog.</p>
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